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Gregory Lawrence
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#1 Posted: 9/13/2010 12:14:42

"Unfortunately, equipping an aircraft with ADS-B Out will cost thousands but not yield any new benefits."  (Quote from ADS-B by Max Trescott, EAA Sport Aviation, September p.56)

I have been amazed by the number of pilots who have expressed surprise that Deaf can fly because they don't know that anyone can fly without using a radio. The basis of Visual Flight Rules is “see and avoid” and that foundation, that has served very well for almost 100 years, has been eroded by pilots depending upon traffic advisories for avoidance.  Recently was the 10th anniversary of an accident near my home where an F-16 going 450 kts. vaporized a 172 on vectors by ATC.  The F-16s had been cleared by ATC to fly VFR and you can't avoid anything you see at 450 kts.  There was no foundation!  When a meteor shower or an enemy takes out one or two satellites there will be no traffic advisory and no foundation for avoidance.

I don't know when we stopped teaching the basics and I'm sure not everyone has stopped.  One advantage of being from Dayton is that I know my Great, Great, Grandinstructor was Orville Wright at Huffman Prairie.  That line gets quite a bit longer for people in other parts of the country and who learned to fly later than 1966.  We don't have to repair the brakes in the line, we just have to make sure that the next generation of aviators gets a foundation.  To do that we need to get one ourselves if we don't already have one.

 



Deafhawk
Bill Berson
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#2 Posted: 9/13/2010 14:30:07

Yeh, the ADS-B issue is kinda funny.

The FAA said they want to eliminate expensive radar and replace it with ADS-S. In other words, they want to switch to a new system where drug runners and other airspace violators will simply be required to obey the law and turn on the ADS-B as needed.


confused



Dave Stadt
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#3 Posted: 9/13/2010 14:40:05

Sad part is the dead guy in the 172 received blame because he did not 'see and avoid' two military hot shots breaking nearly every rule in the book coming up on him from behind at 450 kts. 

 

 



Steve Fabiszak
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#4 Posted: 9/13/2010 19:13:45

A couple of notes:

1. You don't have to install or use ADS-B if you fly below 10,000 msl. Pilots out west are given to 12,000 msl for terrain avoidance. That entire loophole was absent from the comprehensive article in Flying mag. The freebee one given to us at SPLOSH.

2. We have until 2020 to install this equipment. By then that technology will be as obsolete as vacuum tubes and VHS tapes.

 



Christopher Carlson
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#5 Posted: 9/13/2010 21:57:11
Steve Fabiszak wrote:

 

A couple of notes:

1. You don't have to install or use ADS-B if you fly below 10,000 msl. Pilots out west are given to 12,000 msl for terrain avoidance. That entire loophole was absent from the comprehensive article in Flying mag. The freebee one given to us at SPLOSH.

2. We have until 2020 to install this equipment. By then that technology will be as obsolete as vacuum tubes and VHS tapes.

 

 

If you're gonna lump FAA regs in with VHS tapes and vacuum tubes I must take exception...

My VibroChamp guitar amp still has the same 1961 tubes it came with (anyone remember reverb?) and my VHS collection still plays just fine.

Recent FAA regs and rule changes on the other hand are pretty much a bunch of useless cra...  stuff.

 

                     JMPO and YMMV

                                                                  Chris

                                                                     



Jerry Rosie
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#6 Posted: 9/14/2010 09:39:00

 1. You don't have to install or use ADS-B if you fly below 10,000 msl.

Errr .... you do if you are gonna fly in Class B or Class C airspace....



Cheers, Jerry NC22375 out of 07N
Gregory Lawrence
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#7 Posted: 9/15/2010 10:25:17

The point is VFR at 450 kts. is an oxymoron (moron being the operative syllable).  It is the same morons cramming down ADS-B who BTW are paid twice as much on average as workers in the private sector.  The same morons contracted for and paid for Data Link which is supposed to provide traffic information now but hasn't been made to work.



Deafhawk