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1911 Curtiss Pusher Replica

Bob Coolbaugh
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#41 Posted: 12/11/2009 16:24:54

News from the Pioneer World: HG Frautschy passed on a communication from Dr. Marilyn Whitney, granddaughter of John Whitney, who was Glenn Curtiss' photographer in San Diego. Her family has a website:  www.glenncurtiss.com which has some information about Curtiss activities in California. The site is about John Whitney's participation in the 1909 to WW1 time frame. Right now it is in early and outline stages. I am sure we can forward information, photos and sources to Marilyn to help the family build a great website. This Spanish Bight flying, as recorded by John Whitney, includes Ely's landing aboard USS Pennsylvania, the development of a Hydro-Aeroplane which evolved into the US Navy's first airplane purchase, the A-1 Triad.

So, sharpen your pencils, locate the website and volunteer your info and energy to Marilyn! Regards! Bob C.



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#42 Posted: 12/17/2009 17:30:51

I'm starting on the Handley Page Type E "Yellow Peril".  There is so little information but I have a 1913 drawing and some sckethes from Flight Archives (UK).  The main fuselage frame is very similar to the Bleriot, with some enhancements.  An exciting challenge will be the variation of ribs.

I have so many questions to come as things progress.

Michael



Bob Coolbaugh
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#43 Posted: 12/18/2009 02:43:55

Michael: Please feel free to use this thread to keep us all updated on your progress. Photos are welcomed. Is there a Type E in a museum somewhere that you can use for measurements, pics, ideas? The research you do on an original strips away a lot of the mystery. If we have worked on "modern" planes, we have to lose all that before building one of he pioneer birds. Put yourself back 100 years by studying how H-P actually built the Type E, then things will fall into place for you. Part of the fun I have is scratching my head, wondering what the heck Glenn Curtiss was thinking when he built the Model D's. Many questions, followed by those rewarding eureka! moments. That's why we build these old things, I guess. Enjoy the journey. Happy Holidays to all. Bob C.



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#44 Posted: 12/31/2009 09:07:57 Modified: 12/31/2009 09:35:45



Bob, great work on the 1911 version of the Hudson Flier - can't wait to see it flying !!

Bob is correct about a replica of the 1910 Curtiss Hudson Flier being built at the Curtiss Museum. This project was started back in 2004 with the hopes of already having it in the air by now. The plane is about 95% complete and we will do some test flights in the spring with the goal of recreating Curtiss's historic Hudson River flight sometime in June or July 2010.

I reverse engineered the Hudson Flier from photographs and known Curtiss construction methods, as no blueprints exist of the original aeroplane. A gentleman from Rochester has created a full scale 3D computer model of the plane using Solidworks software.  I have a 2D version created with AutoCad 2007.  We have deviated slightly from the original design with respect to the wing and engine. The wing is based on a 1911 design which is covered on both top & bottom with fabric. It is also a more streamlined wing that is stronger in construction in comparison with the 1910 design. The engine will be a Curtiss OX-5, which is also somewhat larger and heavier than the earlier v-8 that Curtiss used on the HF. Because of the engine change, the fuel requirement is higher, thus leading to the addition of a second fuel tank. The two tanks will be located just under the upper wing and above the engine.

So far, the FAA has been great to deal with, and they will hopefully allow us to make the flight to NYC via the Manhattan Corridor. However, this is definitely not etched in stone, and everything is hinging on how the aeroplane behaves in the air.  We may end up only doing some shorter flights up in Albany and Poughkeepsie. Again, our plans may change as we put hours on the aeroplane. The last thing anyone wants is to see someone get hurt from flying this Pusher, so we will proceed slowly and carefully with our early test flights. We have two pilots with Curtiss Pusher flightime in their logbooks that will be conducting the flights, so this will minimize that risk considerably.

Here is recent photo of the Hudson Flier under construction at the Curtiss Museum. Thanks to RJ for the photo.

 


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Bob Coolbaugh
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#45 Posted: 12/31/2009 11:15:07

Steve: Thanks for updating us on the Hudson Flier. You, Art Wilder and the volunteers at the Curtiss Museum have done a wonderful job of replicating the Flier. Thanks, too, for answering the questions I have had along my way. It is refreshing to have someone who is willing to share your "learning curve" info. Vet Thomas, in Rochester, has been a world of assistance to my 1911 Pusher project as well. 

When the Hudson River flight gets finalized, please let us know what the flight plan looks like. I don't think we can rent a train to follow Jim Poel downstream, as when GHC made the run, but I, for one, plan to be somewhere along the way to watch in awe!

If both our dreams go as planned, we might just meet in the air, somewhere in 1911, for a Curtiss formation fly past. 

Best to you in the New Year! Bob Coolbaugh



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#46 Posted: 1/9/2010 12:57:04 Modified: 1/9/2010 12:59:16

At this stage, there are parts everywhere. Still, the wing panels, canard and empennage only need one more epoxy varnish coat and they are ready to cover. That is progress! The bamboo and steel tube outriggers are fabricated, awaiting the powder coater. The brakes and fuel tank are under construction. Some recent photos follow. Enjoy! Bob C


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#50 Posted: 1/9/2010 13:03:46


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#51 Posted: 1/9/2010 13:04:44


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#52 Posted: 1/9/2010 13:29:10

From these photos you might see some divergence from 1911 practices. For example, I added fiberglas diamond patches to the bottom of the rear spar joints to strengthen the bond with the short ribs connecting the rear spar to the trailing edge. I also wrapped the front spar with fiberglas at each end. This will beef up around the wing panel connect fittings. The Schultz Plans call for 1/2" outer ribs and 3/8" inner ribs, but this replica will have 1/2" ribs throughout. Spruce is called for in all wing parts. I used  laminated ash spars for the main center section wing panels and spruce for all other spars. Ash was used in the center to better support the loads imposed by the engine and landing gear.

The seat is different, in that it has a tempur-foam padded seat vice a canvas sling, it is leather covered, and the shoulder yoke is lowered and fixed into an armrest. This replica will have conventional flight controls, with the control wheel used for the ailerons instead of a shoulder yoke. Hence, no need for an articulated shoulder frame.

The empennage is exact to plan with one change. The rudder pivot fitting in the original used  a bolt rotating in a hole bored in the wooden stabilizer gusset. With the prop blasting this area and the vibration back in the tail, this just didn't look correct. I countersunk a 1 1/8" diameter sealed bearing in the top of the stab gusset for the top rudder pivot shaft to bear down on and also overbored the pivot shaft hole to accept a sintered bronze insert. Now the pivot shaft turns in a bushing and rests on a sealed bearing. 

Given the slow speeds we're anticipating, this may all be over-engineering, but there aren't any penalties for safety! Since we plan to fly the wings off this bird, why not! 

If anyone with experience in these matters sees something in the photos or has some technique that will make this a safer airplane - please speak up! Thanks in advance. Bob C.



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#53 Posted: 1/18/2010 20:23:56


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ELY1.jpgHow's it going Bob?  When I say your blog, I thought of some old photos my great uncle took while he was stationed on the Pennsylvania.  I am attaching three pictures; two are of the Curtis flown by Ely, and one is the USS Pennsylvania showning the flight deck that was added to the ship for Ely to land on.  The photo's are not in good condition, but I do have high resolution scans that could be cleaned up.  If you are interested, I would be happy to send you the scans on a DVD.

I hope I get to see you flying your machine someday. 

Good Luck,

Steve



Bob Coolbaugh
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#54 Posted: 1/20/2010 05:05:56

Steve: Thanks for the beautiful USS Pennsylvania shots, and YES - I'd greatly appreciate a DVD of your Great Uncle's originals! Check your top picture - those are sailors, sitting on the aft mast's yardarm and all the way up to the crow's nest! It's hard to imagine the amount of excitement those lucky few felt, as participants in such an historical milestone. In the bottom photo, I think the man in the bowler hat is Hugh Robinson, one of Curtiss' demonstration pilots, a friend of Eugene Ely, and the one who designed the "arresting hooks" attached to the keel beam on Ely's Pusher. Looks as if he's studying his handi-work. Note that Ely missed about 1/2 of the arresting ropes and still managed to stop before hitting the end of the platform. There were supposed to have been 22 ropes with sailor's duffel bags on each end, each filled with 50# of sand. It appears Ely missed half, but snagged most of the remaining 11 ropes for about 1100 #'s of drag . The ropes were spaced a couple of feet apart, but that still would have been quite a tug on the seat belt, stopping 1000 #'s of airplane going 50 MPH in less than 60 feet!

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Hold on a bit and I'm pretty sure you'll get a chance to see her flying. I am working with Captain Rich Dann, coordinator for CONA - the Centennial of Naval Aviation - which will be celebrated at airshows and events across America in 2011. My plans are to fly this replica at several of these events to commemorate the first "carrier" landing on 18 Jan 1911. So far I have identified 10 events which I feel I can make. If possible, I will add more. Still, since I haven't flown the first test flight yet, I can only consider this 2011 schedule a dream. Gotta' put up or shut up first! That means flying off the 40 hour local area restrictions and then 150 hours of cross country flying to make the shows. Unlimited possibilities for wild adventures, a lot of potential for stubbing our toes along the way, too. 

Ordered the Poly-Fiber covering supplies from Jim and Dondi Miller. Jim, Andrew King and I worked out a way to shoot the Poly-Tone to give us the nearly opaque muslin look of some of the pioneer birds. I really am looking forward to this process.  Sincere thanks! Bob C.



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#55 Posted: 8/8/2010 03:38:11

News from the Shenandoah Curtiss Factory: Today marks the last day of painting! We have the center section of the Ely-Curtiss assembled, the engine mounted, with the new mags awaiting installation. The carb was rebuilt and new Bendix mags purchased from Aircraft Systems in Rockford, Il. Highly recommended business. We are now in the process of making the brace cables - nearly 200 of them! I'll post a few pictures soon. Just returned from Airventure, so I'm having to shift gears to get back into the building node. Still on track for test flights in September and October. Bob Coolbaugh



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#56 Posted: 8/21/2010 06:17:56

Photos of the assembly process. Two years of fabricating parts and pieces have led to where we are now. Many, many flying, landing, drag and truss wires to run!



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Bob Coolbaugh
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#57 Posted: 8/21/2010 06:20:58


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#60 Posted: 9/15/2010 23:15:18

Bob,

Jim Otey and I have finished our 1909 Herring-Curtiss Pusher replica.  It flies great.  We have over 4 hours on it, 12 take offs and landings.  Flights have lasted  a few minutes to 25 minutes and as high as 1200 feet about the airport.  It flies like a J3 in slow motion.  It gets off quickly and climbs good.  So far we have flown as slow as 35 mph and up to 65 mph. No stalls so far.  It is comfortable and easy to fly.  It flies 45 mph at 1800 rpm; 65 mph requires 2200 rpm.  If I could help you in any way, call me at 509-758-3269.  Here are some pictures of our Curtiss.

Dean Wilson

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