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2011 Nasa/cafe Green aircraft design prize

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Tim Moorhead
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#1 Posted: 12/2/2009 18:34:27

Greetings, I am currently looking for individual(s) to collaborate in the 2011 Nasa/cafe aircraft prize. I have a design in mind  that uses a hybrid of solar electric, bio-fuels and another propulsion Idea and seek interested persons to get envolved.  If you are interested or know someone who may be please feel free to respond. Thanks, Tim



John McGinnis
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#2 Posted: 12/3/2009 01:57:19 Modified: 12/23/2009 23:58:19

Hi Tim.

I am a registered applicant in the GFC, representing Team Synergy. Our preliminary design work was complete prior to contest announcement and is based upon new technology, so my reply isn't about fishing for your ideas. It's to let you know that we are still gathering potential partners, supporters, and contributors. Your post suggests we're on the same page about a few things, so if you find limited support given the deadline, please feel free to contact me.

We're based in Montana. Where are you located? I've been contacted by several folks around the country who would like to join a team. I could send them your way if you're interested.

 

 

 

 

 



Kristopher Harvey
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#3 Posted: 12/18/2009 15:43:11

Tim,

I am interested in helping out. I am affraid i don't have much of an engineering or material design backround but i can offer your team an extra pair of hands. Where are you based out of?

 

-Kris



Ronald Jones
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#4 Posted: 12/18/2009 15:46:23

Tim, I am interested in this field..and have some relevant background in alternative energy, aeronautics, and advanced composites. I would like to learn more about what you are planning. Regards, Ron



John McGinnis
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#5 Posted: 1/4/2010 18:21:54

Synergy passed design review and CAFE accepted our entry in the $1.5M GFC.  I'm writing with a couple of questions and an invitation. Whether we win or not, anything practical and marketable that is three times as efficient and twice as fast ought to make a difference. You can read about the ingredients of our entry here. 

What kind of interest is out there in being a part of this effort? Should we pursue or allow a grassroots sponsorship effort?

Feedback, please!

 

 



Ried Jacobsen
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#6 Posted: 1/5/2010 21:54:41

Hi John,

Your kinj to here got me no where.  Could you try to post the link again?

Ried



Ried Jacobsen
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#7 Posted: 1/6/2010 20:08:02

Lets see, how many ways can I mis-spell LINK?

here did not get me anyplace.

Ried



John McGinnis
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#8 Posted: 1/7/2010 00:18:37

Ried, I can't get my edit corrections (below) to post. But you've already been to the Beyond Streamlining thread. Please feel free to send me the private email address you'd like to use for confidential disclosure documents.

 

Synergy passed design review and CAFE accepted our entry in the $1.5M GFC.  I'm writing with a couple of questions and an invitation. Whether we win or not, anything practical and marketable that is three times as efficient and twice as fast ought to make a difference. You can read about the ingredients of our entry here. 

 

What kind of interest is out there in being a part of this effort? Should we pursue or allow a grassroots sponsorship effort?

 

Feedback, please!

 

 




Ried Jacobsen
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#9 Posted: 1/7/2010 01:53:13

John,

Email address should be on it's way, thru OSH 365 mail system.

What part of Montana are you located?  I grew up in North Dakota, and still have a couple of brothers that live in the eastern part of the state(Fargo and Steele county farm).

NDak un-official state motto, "forty below keeps the riff-raff out!"  (laugh, its a joke!)

As an engineer, I understand your desire for confidentiality.  I am curious if your 48-314 copyright impacts whether I might be able to use it for my endeavors?

Not sure how I could help the "Synergy effort", due to my current IL location and constraints, but would enjoy seeing what you might be up to.

Ried



John McGinnis
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#10 Posted: 1/15/2010 14:04:50

Ried,

This is a little after-the-fact, but I just found your post. I'll reply for the record. We're in Northwest Montana near Flathead Lake and Glacier National Park. Kalispell specifically. The Flathead Valley is a temperate area of the state, much warmer than east and south.

Synergy confidentiality is required because showing it off lights a short fuse on a powerful explosive. We still have a lot of work to do before she flies (at full scale) and validates our numbers. It's easier to do so out of the spotlight, although we still need to attract early supporters.

Regarding my various airfoils, I will happily license their use by selected individuals, at very low cost, subject to my design approval. You should be using the right one, and be certain that it is a better choice than your other options. Above all, a licensee must accept full responsibility for the selection, conformity, and use of the airfoil geometry licensed.



Ried Jacobsen
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#11 Posted: 1/15/2010 14:36:13

I could live with that!  As I continue to try to get educated and know what I think I want, I will let you know.

I do have a couple of posts in the Hanger Talk and Homebuilder forum asking for free advise and or guidance on trying to pick through the thousands of airfoil and narrow in on some appropriate sections.  Do you have any resources you might recommend to a "greenhorn" aircraft designer?

 



John McGinnis
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#12 Posted: 1/21/2010 21:24:24

The following was posted here :

Ried,

I agree with Frank. Riblett is a better first read than Theory of Wing Sections.

Better yet, why read? Computer programs are the way to go. You can evaluate thousands of airfoils at full scale Reynolds numbers, and they'll teach you stuff as you go. Here are a few to check out.

FREE, POWERFUL, VERSATILE, and ACCURATE:

Javafoil 

INDUSTRIAL GRADE (X-FOIL) CALCULATION, WINDOWS INTERFACE:

Profili 

ONE STOP SHOPPING FOR A STARTING POINT:

Airfoil Optimizer  (but don't trust its database. Just start there.)

There are programs to avoid, too. If you drop me a line I'll let you know.

 
JM vs ATA p3.jpg
JM vs ATA_1.jpg


John McCreight
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#13 Posted: 1/22/2010 12:58:41

Hello all,

I don't mean to threadjack, but it does look like this is becoming a place to announce some interest in working with high-efficiency flying folks.  I, too, have only an extra set of hands in Wayne county, Ohio.  But I will, nevertheless, register my interest in helping out anyone that needs someone with said unskilled hands.



John McGinnis
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#14 Posted: 1/22/2010 23:13:45

Thanks John. Stay tuned!



Tim Moorhead
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#15 Posted: 6/16/2010 03:26:10

Sorry It has been so long to respond back. I am in Kentucky. I have a design (rough) but feel with all the technology existing it can be built. Feel free to respond back . Thanks, Tim



Tim Moorhead
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#16 Posted: 6/16/2010 03:28:19

Hello Ron, Im very sorry to take so long to respond back. I am in Kentucky and I have a design that I feel can work. It incorporates solar electric with a diesel engine. I would be happy to share with you more about the project. Thanks , Tim