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Through The Fence and trailered aircraft question

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Tom Mitchell
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#1 Posted: 12/9/2009 21:06:18

 I'm having trouble grasping the full ramifications of TSA's Through The Fence rule.  I get the basics, though I don't agree with them.  But, will the rule be interpreted to include those of us who might trailer our experimental aircraft to the local airport?  I see little difference between a trailered aircraft arriving at the airport . . . and one coming from an adjacent airpark home.  I've read the report of TSA locking out Punta Gorda airpark pilots, and it shows how heavy handed and nonsensical government agencies can be.

Our small FBO is not staffed during weekends, but that's when many of us fly.  Getting someone authorized to unlock a gate on a weekend would be a major problem.  Anyone have more detail on how the rule might affect those of us who might trailer to the airport?

 

Tom Mitchell



Peter Zabriskie
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#2 Posted: 12/9/2009 23:13:20
Tom Mitchell wrote:

 

 I'm having trouble grasping the full ramifications of TSA's Through The Fence rule.  I get the basics, though I don't agree with them.  But, will the rule be interpreted to include those of us who might trailer our experimental aircraft to the local airport?  I see little difference between a trailered aircraft arriving at the airport . . . and one coming from an adjacent airpark home.  I've read the report of TSA locking out Punta Gorda airpark pilots, and it shows how heavy handed and nonsensical government agencies can be.

Our small FBO is not staffed during weekends, but that's when many of us fly.  Getting someone authorized to unlock a gate on a weekend would be a major problem.  Anyone have more detail on how the rule might affect those of us who might trailer to the airport?

 

Tom Mitchell

 

I also am a Sonerai.net member with Tom and I will trailer my Sonerai. This would really negatively impact me as I plan to travel around the country for retirement and take my Sonerai with me. Flying obviously from airports that don't know me. I have worked on airport propertys for a major shipper for 15 years now and I am very saddened to see how paranoid the environment has become. I returned home to my deceased brother's home airport to pay respects to a memoral our EAA chapter had placed there only to be challenged and expelled from the property by the local A&P shop who would not even recognize my TSA airport identifcation from work. Very sad.

Peter Zabriskie

 

 



Cheers, Pete
Clarke Tate
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#3 Posted: 12/10/2009 13:37:10
Hello,

I am sorry to hear that you were challenged and ejected from the airport property when merely wanting to visit a memorial. I find increasing security at the airports that ultimately will lead to near gridlock to those of us who are trying to work in, or enjoy aviation. I remember as a child being allowed into hangars with my father at airports, and warmly welcomed at that. TSA as a government agency needs to be responsive as our public servants;  it is the public that created aviation and pays their salary. Coming up with solutions to maintain viable usage that does not limit access is what will allow vibrant commerce, and hopefully at least, not contraction of aviation as we (have) know(n) it. What has happened at Punta Gorda needs to be addressed and a viable solution found before simply locking away a part of our aviation heritage of openness. Certainly the Experimental category is part of the American heritage, consistent with the spirit of our country and a testament to what the American spirit should be and hopefully not what it was. The idea that we have lost ourselves to security means terrorists really have won, that would be sad.

I believe that those who desire access to do wrong will tend find a way regardless. A national ID, while I loathe the idea, is probably part of the ultimate solution. I just wish it was still possible to walk up to a hangar at night, with old aircraft projects stacked outside ( a P-40 and a P-51 in my case as a kid) and then get up the nerve to knock on the door and be invited warmly inside. That has been a memory that I will carry for my lifetime. The possibility of that must be kept for children today, or we will lose our American spirit. We are heading that direction!

Could the person walking around be someone up to no good, maybe, but probably a greater likelihood someone who just loves aviation. The guy wanting to do wrong is probably cutting through the security fence out back.

 




C Tate
Ed Walker
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#4 Posted: 12/11/2009 00:22:14

Clarke,

  I'm afraid that the term "public servant" has become a misnomer. More often than not they have become "self servants". I wonder what percentage of TSA or FAA employes or decision makers have actually been employed within commercial aviation or other transportation industries. So much of this over regulation and over protection is in the name of anti-terrorism, well guess what, they are winning without doing anything more. We have lost to many freedoms to over protection in the last 8 years.

Ed Walker, N3145M



Mike Muetzel
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#5 Posted: 12/11/2009 21:02:44 Modified: 12/11/2009 21:03:46

Tom, I'm not an airport security expert but I was one once. 

The problem at KPGD was not due to the basic TTF agreement structure (which the FAA wants to cut off, but that's another problem).  The PIC taxied clear of the area before the gate closed, which could have allowed unauthorized entry behind the PIC's aircraft.  This was a "failure to comply with established procedures" problem, not an authorized entry problem.  A sensible enforcement alternative would have withdrawn that PIC's authorization to use the gate without an escort or would have levied a fine, or both - not penalized the persons who were complying with the rules by restricting their access, too.  I will withhold my biased opinion about what inevitably happens when a bureaucrat thinks the power of the office is personal power.

This is not related to your issue of continued access with a trailer, which has most likely become a hemorrhoid of its own dimension.