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Flying US Experimentals abroad?

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Stefan Janes
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#1 Posted: 9/27/2010 05:16:52

Hello Pilots,

I have some questions concerning the operation of experimental class aircraft in countries other than the USA. I consider buying an experimental in the US and ship it to my home country Germany.  Would I need a US-PPL to fly the aircraft or is my European license based on international law sufficient? For example, I know that I am allowed to fly a N-registered C172 here in Germany. I also know that the airplane needs a US owner officially which can be covered by a trust company. Is there anything else I need to be aware of?

Maybe someone here is familiar with that issue. I would appreciate all help I can get. Thank you!

Best regards,

Stefan



Dolpho Silva-Sadder
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#2 Posted: 10/2/2010 08:18:09

You do not indicate which experimental, and thats what would define your requirements. There are many experimentals in DE. The license equivalency is acceptable. Suggest you contact  DULV in Germany. You do not need a US PPL to fly the aircraft. Your contries requirements dictate what you need. A word of caution. If the experimental is unfamiliar to your /Germany's regulatory agencies, it will be very time consuming to get the approval.



Stefan Janes
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#3 Posted: 10/3/2010 06:09:47

You are right. I was not precise enough. The type would probably be a Stolp Starduster Too biplane. Being a homebuilt experimental there will be no way to get a German registration. That is why I want to keep the N-registration although I would need to join a trust in the US, which would be acting as the owner.

Meanwhile I heard that I will need a US-PPL or at least a FAA validation of my German/European licence. Nevertheless, can anyone confirm that?

 

Best regards!



Joe Norris
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#4 Posted: 10/4/2010 16:34:56

Stefan,

You will need to get written permission from the German Civil Aviation Authority allowing you to operate the US-certificated experimental aircraft in German airspace.  Experimental airworthiness certificates are not automatically recognized in foreign countries, and the operating limitations issued to the US experimental aircraft require that written permission be obtained before operating the aircraft outside US airspace.

The foreign authority would have the option of placing whatever restrictions or requirements on the operation of the US experimental aircraft that they see fit.

I'd suggest you contact the German CAA and see what they have to say.

Cheers!

Joe



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Dolpho Silva-Sadder
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#5 Posted: 10/5/2010 15:24:03

OK. Then I would suggest contact with the German Aero Club (kind of a misnomer really!).

PPLs and other licenses can generally be EU (i.e. JAA) accepted for equivalent uses under ICAO. I assume you have JAR-PPL. If so, US PPL might be a moot point. If not then you might need to keep the N registration, but might have a number of limitations including time validity.  I am not familiar with what a US experimental will require in Germany.  Not sure why that remark was made to you.  You are trying to fly in Germany and its their rules that apply. Experimentals are flown widely in the EU.  but your particular model and circumstances have to be looked at. Someone must have gone thru the paces already and the Orgs. listed can be an asset in such situations (i.e. just like EAA or AOPA). Anyway, I would start there before talking to any gov types.

Again, and in general, it has been opined that a Certified aircraft  (N registered) can be flown in Germany with a US PPL. It must be owned by a legal US person or US registered entity.

Hope this help a bit. Good Luck!



Dolpho Silva-Sadder
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#6 Posted: 10/6/2010 15:20:04

Sorry, forgot, you might want to look at this story as well:

http://www.avweb.com/avwebbiz/news/EASA_Rules_Target_US_203388-1.html?CMP=OTC-RSS