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Wayne Silvan
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#1 Posted: 4/13/2011 19:23:00

Looking for paper work for experimental supercub for 160 hp.Any help would be appreaciated.



Steve Walton
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#2 Posted: 4/22/2011 09:05:10

The best thing for you to do is purchase the EAAs amateur built Info package as it contains all the neccesary forms and  a blooklet to explain how to fill them out. Along with that they also include the experimental decal, passinger warning, data plate.all for about $20.

The forms are also available from the FAA web site, but the above is the way to go.

 

Steve Walton DAR ATL



Chris Hatin
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#3 Posted: 4/22/2011 13:48:07

What paperwork do you need?  There is plenty of information regarding Supercub builds and engine applications out there.  Being Experimental, there is little worry about applicable STC's and 337's, as long as you utilize recommended and safe practices and data,  if that is your concern.



Wayne Silvan
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#4 Posted: 4/24/2011 01:44:02

The problem is a friend and I bought a super cub basket case we had a a&p rebuild it and the log books were missing and now the feds wont return it to certification.The next step is to go experimental.It was a certified aircraft with all ads done and all the stc paperwork in order.So I guess this is the first step in trying to get all ga grounded so we won,t hurt ourselves or anbody else



Ron Wanttaja
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#5 Posted: 4/24/2011 03:26:50
Wayne Silvan wrote:

 

The problem is a friend and I bought a super cub basket case we had a a&p rebuild it and the log books were missing and now the feds wont return it to certification.The next step is to go experimental.It was a certified aircraft with all ads done and all the stc paperwork in order.

Without the log books, what's your proof that all the ADs were done, and the STC paperwork was in order?

As for "going experimental," there's no such animal.  There's an Experimental Exhibition category, an Experimental Research and Development category, there's an Experimental Amateur-Built category, and several others.  You have to provide the FAA with justification for placing your aircraft into one of those categories.  It won't qualify for Experimental Amateur-Built, and all the others can have some significant restrictions (e.g., no passengers, re-apply for a certificate every year, no flights to anywhere outside the local area without prior FAA approval, etc.).  This is not a new policy; this has been in existence for 50 years or more.

Frankly, you don't want to make the airplane experimental.  You'd just be taking an aircraft with a known (high) value and turning it into an unknown.

I am hugely surprised that your A&P didn't know that missing logs would cause this kind of problem with the FAA.  "Stunned" is probably more accurate.  Did the logs get misplaced during the process, or did the A&P retain them due to a dispute with you?  How did the A&P record the work he/she did, if they didn't have logbooks to enter them into?  Do you have the engine log?  This is a legal issue between you and the A&P, not between you and the FAA.  The FAA's rules are clear, in this case, and the A&P should have known them.

Actually, there is a process to recover from lost logbook situations.  I think it might have been covered in FAA Order 8700.1, but that order has been superceded and I can't find the information.  Anyway, I believe you need an A&P/IA to start a new set of logbooks, with estimates as to total time, and re-execute all ADs.  Not easy, not cheap, but it'll cost less than the value hit you'll take if you license the plane in any of the Experimental categories.



Ron Wanttaja
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#6 Posted: 4/24/2011 20:20:55

 

Go to the FAA web site and order a CD with all the on file paper work for your A/C. If the STC's were properly documented, there will be a copy in the file for that N number. I have the copies for my A/C. They answered a lot of questions and made dealing with the FAA a lot easier.

You might get lucky and find the name of an IA who worked on the Cub on the CD. He might be able to shed some light on the A/C.

 

If the last on file paper work is recent, you should be able to come up with a close estimate of engine and airframe time.

The procedure for recertifying an engine whose status is unknow is fairly simple, although somewhat expensive. There is an advisory circular covering this. I am not sure about the airframe, but it should be similar.

Find an IA who likes challanges. This is doable.

 

Pete

 



Peter Weiskopf
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#7 Posted: 4/25/2011 06:49:59

was too tired last night to look up the web site:

 

http://registry.faa/aircraftinquiry/

 

choose: Request for Aircraft Records:  Online

 

Pete



Wayne Silvan
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#8 Posted: 4/25/2011 21:02:17

Have the problem resolved the faa finally wants to come out and play.Seems like there was some mixups on how the process works but finally got the ball rolling.Thanks everybody.