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Sport Pilot Transition from WSCL to Fixed Wing

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Vincent Lynn
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#1 Posted: 11/12/2009 00:26:17

I have a Sport Pilot certificate for WSCL and have logged 40 hours flying a Trike.  I also have logged 10 hours of dual training in a Cessna 152 and 172.  Can I take dual instruction in a fixed wing aircraft that meets LSA  specifications and fly that aircraft solo after  completing the training and the instructor's log book endorsement?  If so, how might that endorsement be worded?



Grant Smith
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#2 Posted: 2/9/2010 08:40:49

Yes you can. You can also take a passenger unless your sport pilot certificate has a "single seat only" restriction. Advisory Circular 65-37E (I believe) has all the recomended wording for endorsements but the exact wording is not required. Your CFI check pilot should know what to do. You will need two different instructors; one for the recomendation and an other for the  check ride.

WSC to fixed wing is a more difficult transition than the other way around. Make sure you know how to work the rudders.



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Helen Woods
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#3 Posted: 2/10/2010 09:11:12 Modified: 2/10/2010 09:15:49

 I recently transitioned a trike pilot.  As the previous poster mentioned, rudder work was the biggest issue for him.   I found that his trike time had really desensitized him to yaw.  That being said, with a conscious effort on his part to work on that, I think he's made a pretty darn good three axis pilot.  I can't wait for him to take me up in his trike this spring!
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Back to your question, before you get your final proficiency check, your instructor can sign you off to do the same solo work any student pilot would do by using the same logbook endorsements (sans the one on the back of a student pilot certificate).  After your proficiency check (given by a second CFI) you'll have the same privileges as any other 3 axis sport pilot including that to carry a passenger.  The wording of all endorsements including the one for the proficiency check can be found in AC 61-65E http://flighttraining.aopa.org/pdfs/ac61_65e.pdf 

Helen

 

 

 

 

 



Grant Smith
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#4 Posted: 3/22/2010 12:55:28

Helen,

Thanks for correcting the AC # and providing the additional details. Please say your location and type of equipment you train in. I am also looking forward to you getting your trike ride and then continuing to becomming a WSC sport pilot and instructor. There is a  shortage of WSC instructors.

Also did you know that you can sign off a WSC student for continued solo in a WSC with your airplane CFI certificate? let me know if you need a second instructor for your WSC signoff.



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Tom McDowell
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#5 Posted: 7/2/2011 15:35:07

I agree with Helen's comment about the transition from WS to Fixed wing. I am an 11 year Trike Pilot with over three years as a WSL Sport Pilot Cert.  I have just two lessons in Tail Wheel training and let me tell you, Helen is right about the rudder thing.  Here is my opinion on the subject.  The feet need to be surgically removed on the Trike pilot and reattached left foot onto the right leg and, well you get it.    In a Trike, if you want the fuselage to go to the left, you push your right foot on the front foot peg. The first lesson I had,  in the Tail Wheel, was to taxi. As I was doing medium to slow taxi runs, the tail got outside of the right main and what did I do?.., well naturally, I pushed the left pedal to make it go right. NOT!. All the reading and thinking I did before this training started sunk in well, however, when things get wild, your natural reaction is to revert back to the fight/ flight response and do what comes natural. Well, I didn't damage the plane but it did some on ground acrobatics right off the runway.                                   

    Bottom line, if your are transiting from Weight Shift to Fixed wing, you MUST un-train yourself from Weight Shift and retrain yourself for the rudder pedal control BEFORE you get in the plane.  Maybe a Tricycle gear would be a good step before tail wheel, I don't know.  Helen. Can you possibly add to this? Thanks, Tom from N.J.

  

  




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