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Andrew Ovans
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#1 Posted: 1/27/2010 02:23:07

Any Sea Plane Instructors around? I am thinking about going down to see Jack Brown, wondering if it is worth me going to be a CFI -ASES?



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#2 Posted: 1/28/2010 19:15:13

I am a seaplane CFI who currently lives in Iowa and I know of at least 2 in Michigan and one in Texas and I only know about a dozen CFIs.  So, there are lots of us out there, just not much demand as seaplane insurance is about at high as helicopter insurance.  Neither have minor accidents.

 

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Todd Schopp
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#3 Posted: 1/28/2010 19:40:54

Brown's seaplane base is tons of fun.  If you add SES to your pilot certificate, there is no need to add anything to an existing CFI.  Flight instructor certificates just say single and/or multi engine; they don't specify land or sea.  Good luck. 



Tony Turiano
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#4 Posted: 1/28/2010 23:19:53

I'm not sure that I understand your posting. There are no seaplane ratings for CFIs. I probably had about 75 hours seaplane experience (on top of about 2700 on wheels) before I thought it would be safe for me to teach in seaplanes...

Nothing wrong with Brown's, but if you want broader experience and training, I suggest Adventure Seaplanes ( www.adventureseaplanes.com). They operate in Central Florida during the Winter and early Spring, Lino Lakes, MN the rest of the year. You can actually rent their aircraft - a pretty rare find.



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#5 Posted: 1/31/2010 08:40:22

 I was simply explaining that the FAA doesn't require a SES instructor rating.  It goes without saying that equipment specific experience is important for CFIs.  Brown's is a good place that I have experience with.  I'm sure there are many others. 



Andrew Ovans
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#6 Posted: 2/8/2010 02:23:02

Todd, If I remember correctly you need a commercial ASES to instruct in SES correct?

I am thinking about going down to Mr. Brown's, but I am really curious if this is something I could really use.

I really was wondering what the population was like around Green Bay or Oshkosh and if there was any demand for such an instructor.

$1200 is pretty cheap though...



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Tony Johnstone
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#7 Posted: 2/8/2010 14:17:17

Andy-  I would certainly encourage you to go and get a seaplane rating, flying floats is a lot of fun.  Yes, you do need a Commercial ASES which you should get anyway, if you already have a Commercial ASEL you just have to do the PTS items relative to seaplanes.

   However, I would caution against trying to go out and instruct in seaplanes on the basis of a 5 or so hour conversion course.   Legally, you can do so, but you really need to go out and get a reasonable amount of float time first, if you don't have 50 hours or so you still have a lot to learn!!   It would make about as much sense as a guy going and doing a tailwheel endorsement and then immediately jumping in to instructing- legal, but not smart.

  



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#8 Posted: 2/11/2010 09:39:03
Andy Ovans wrote:

 

Any Sea Plane Instructors around? I am thinking about going down to see Jack Brown, wondering if it is worth me going to be a CFI -ASES?

 

ASEL CFI in Seattle and Tucson but without training aircraft. I agree with all previous posts. Nevada also has a good school, I believe. I also do WSC and PPC. www.ultraflight.com/issues/august99/aug99page34.htm



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Michael Goetzman
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#9 Posted: 2/11/2010 11:23:04 Modified: 2/11/2010 11:24:24

I plan on getting some instruction at Lake Shore Aviation in Manitowoc, WI They may be able to help or answer some questions! They are a good group of people, they also donated to Chapter 252 in Oshkosh!

 

http://www.lakeshoreaviation.com/seaplane1.htm

 

 



Michael Goetzman | Milwaukee, WI
Andrew Ovans
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#10 Posted: 2/23/2010 14:54:20

Michael, I work with Curt and I would love to have him check me out in his, but honestly I just think doing it in a cub with floats is the coolest thing around. If I had the 3k laying around I would do it, but for that money Crazy Horse is calling my name. Brown's is $1200 and from what I have heard is an experience you won't forget.

Tony, I agree %100 that anyone should get experience before teaching. I am just doing a little research before jumping in. I just want to do it with the least ammount of "learn the hard way" mistakes. Honestly it would just be convenience to be able to teach in a seaplane, not something I aspire to do right out of the gate. I guess call it a bucket list thing.

I just want to be able to legally fly one to get theat experience for down the road. I know a few private owners who would like to have a CFI along for the ride. Right now, a Beaver and two Huskies on floats at my home airport....I get the itch walking by them.

 



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#11 Posted: 2/24/2010 09:06:57

I got my seaplane rating at Jack Brown's - from Jack himself - I realize that dates me a bit - It is my understanding that if you are a CFI and have a seaplane rating you can teach it - it is a fun rating



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#12 Posted: 3/12/2010 13:44:35

Andy,

I did the Brown's thing several years ago and highly recommend it if for no other reason that it is a blast.

I had a friend, Shannon Franklin who got his SES from Brown's and spent 2 winters instructing for them and used that experience to spend 3 summers in Alaska flying Beavers on floats.

He was young and single and worked his Brown's expereience into a lot of "adventure flying" and really enjoyed it.

 

Ron

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David Krall
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#13 Posted: 3/26/2010 15:38:45

Most fun of all for a new experience in piloting. Go ahead and take it to the commercial SES level as well...



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#14 Posted: 10/3/2010 07:56:24

Hi Grant,

Any idea if there are any CFIs with significant ASES experience in/near the Monterey/San Francisco Bay/Northern California areas, or how I would find any?  I have an Advanced Aeromarine Buccaneer II, so, all I need is an instructor in order to undergo training.

Thanks!

Jim



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#15 Posted: 10/5/2010 21:24:17 Modified: 10/5/2010 21:27:47

I did my SES at Traverse Air in Traverse City, Mi with Tom Brady in his PA12-150 on EDO 2000's....He gives great instruction and it cost around $800 only. He's been doing it for years and I would recommend him to anyone. I give Sport Pilot Sea ratings in the U.P. of Michigan in my 90HP T-Craft....but that doesn't help you if you want to give PPL SES Ratings. I'm a Private Pilot, but I only have a CFI-SP so I'm limited to LSA in my instructing privileges