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Thomas Frazer
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#1 Posted: 11/9/2009 23:31:57

Hi Everyone,

I am considering swapping my SportCub for a CAP10B.  I don't have any experience with the type, but it does look like a cool little plane and a good way to expand my aviation experiences into acro.  Do any of you have time in the CAP10, and if so, what did you think?

Many thanks,

Tom Frazer




Bill McLean
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#2 Posted: 11/12/2009 19:01:09

Thomas,

      I took the basic aerobatic course from the French Connection 20+ years ago in the CAP 10. It's a great airplane, and ideal for aerobatic instruction with the side by side seating. However, I now fly a RV-4 with inverted systems, and it's better than the CAP 10, and half the price.  Here's an example on youtube:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9VZBZ2h7U8  Sky Dancing in RV-4.

By the way, you probably won't find anyone wanting to swap an RV for a SportCub.  Make sure you find a good acro instructor before you try. This is not something you can learn on your own. Once you start, it can easily become addictive.

 

Enjoy,

Eyeball Mechanic

 



Randy Owens
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#3 Posted: 11/12/2009 21:30:23 Modified: 11/12/2009 21:37:07

I owned and competed in a CAP 10 for a couple of years about 5 or 6 years back.  I really enjoyed the CAP 10 for it's versatility.  Side by side and a big turtle deck, descent speed and range, and aerobatic.  It was more capable than a Decathlon (maybe even slightly more than a Super Decathlon).

It can be a handful on rollout with the brakes being situated how they are during a heavy crosswind.  There's great forward visibility making for easy landings, but once on the ground the fun begins.

A caution about the CAP 10.  If you're looking at a B model be aware that there is a 55 hour recurring inspection on the wing spar due to several failures.  The failures are thought to be due to hard landings by the factory in France, but there is also evidence to suggest it may be to overloading during aerobatics.  Snaps, in particular, were suspect, and the FAA lowered the snap speed when they issued the 55 hour recurring inspection.

Most of the Bs are old and made of wood...  They say that wood forgives but only for so long....

The C models have a carbon fiber reinforced spar, and if you're serious about owning a CAP 10, I would limit my search to a C model or a B that has C wings.

The CAP 10 is a great airplance: fun and nimble, but beware of the B wings.

If you plan to fly aerobatics and have no prior experience, regardless of the airplane you choose, please go up with a qualified instuctor and get spin training.  A botched manuever, if left uncorrected, will often cause the aircraft to enter into a spin.  Recognizing the nature of the spin and having an appropriate natural reaction to proactively recover can save your life.  Nearly anything you want to learn is fair game after you are proficient with spins (as long as you're within the approved flight envelope of the aircraft).

-Randy

 



Hank Bruckner
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#4 Posted: 11/12/2009 22:31:26

Tom,

I've owned a CAP-10 since 1996 and offer the following:  The CAP-10 is one of the nicest flying aerobatic aircraft around with  it's elliptical wing, +6/-4.5 Gz rating and fully inverted systems.  Thing is, you really want one that converted to the new wing.  Mine was the first US CAP-10 to convert to the new wing and it totally transforms what was a nice flying airplane to a great one.  With about 30% more aileron area, it has 30% greater roll rate--enough for a full vertical roll with two aboard and energy to hammer off the top.  The new wing maintains the original Gz rating and doesn't have the onerous periodic inspections that just fixing the old wing carries.  I don't know how many other CAP-10s converted to the new wing option in the US, and although there is still parts support from France, I don't think the wing is being made (APEX went under).  I'd be happy to talk further.

Hank

 



Thomas Frazer
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#5 Posted: 11/12/2009 23:30:20

Hi Everyone,

Thank you for your very informative responses.  This plane is on Barnstormers and is  CAP10B.  While the CAP sounds like fun, the price difference between my plane and the CAP, along with the spar concerns is too much to bridge with this transaction.  I hope to fly one someday.  It's such a pretty little plane.

I appreciate your help.

With best wishes,

Tom Frazer



Cory Wallace
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#6 Posted: 11/13/2009 07:04:58

I too have had the pleasure of some CAP10 time.  The one I have flown is a CAP10B with the 10C wing.  When they bought the airplane, they performed the wing change and a restoration.  That is the big issue for the CAP10 fleet right now.  Right now, it's an inspection for the wings.  But if it changes to an AD, then that's a whole different story.

Like the others have said, it's a great flying airplane.  I like if for the fact it's very dual purpose, nice cross country airplane and it can fly in a couple different categories at your local IAC competition.  

Good luck on your search.



CFI, CPL-ASEL, IA, TAILWHEEL, COMPLEX & HP. "A flight a day, keeps the FAA away." - My wife. Stress doesn't pay extra.