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Boy Scout Venture Crew embarks on ultralight restoration!

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Larry Lesniak
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#1 Posted: 10/27/2009 17:50:38

Hello fellow aviation enthusiasts!  Some of you may have seen my earlier post in the Hangar Talk forum regarding engaging youth in aviation.  I'm an adult advisor to our local Venture Crew (Venturing being a co-ed branch of the Boy Scouts for young people age 14-21) and our members have expressed a strong interest in aviation-related activities.  Several have completed their Young Eagles flights and are working their way through the Sporty's online ground school program.  We wanted to do some hands-on aircraft building activities (i.e. rib building, metalwork etc) and in hopes of finding a project we placed an ad on Barnstormers seeking a project plane.  Much to our surprise we received a positive response from a very generous ultralight pilot in Iowa.  He offered us the airframe for a Fisher Flying Products FP-101 at no cost if we would pick it up from him (we're in PA).  This past weekend I drove out to Iowa and brought the plane back to our work area and the entire Crew is very excited about the prospect of restoring and potentially flying this aircraft.  We have a lot of work to do and will certainly turn to this, and other Fisher-related forums, for advice and information.  At this time I just wanted to say hello and put out the word that we'll be working on the FP-101.  Any and all comments would be welcome!

Larry



Reggie Smalls
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#2 Posted: 10/27/2009 20:17:13

Great to read about this, good luck with the project and keep us updated as to the progress



David Cooper
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#3 Posted: 1/5/2010 19:49:28

Congrats, on getting a youth project going. Fisher has a great set of birds out their. We had just finsihed restoring a Fisher FP303 in oct ,2009 here are a couple of youtube video's you and your group may enjoy

First video is of our 2009 flying season

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUvFI4OyJUw 

 

Second is an air to air of the Fisher FP303

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PcQTQr5kAg 

enjoy your project

David Cooper



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Randall Taylor
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#4 Posted: 2/8/2010 19:13:49

Larry,

Its great to hear about your Crew and their project.  I am on the verge of starting up a Venturing Crew based on Aviation in the Lake City, FL area.  I would be very interested to hear any ideas or suggestions you may have.  I recently earned my Private Pilots license and want to share the experience with the Scouts that I have been working with for many years.  I look forward to hearing from you and I wish you and your Crew much success!

 

Randall Taylor



Larry Lesniak
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#5 Posted: 2/13/2010 10:11:07

Hi Randall,

Thanks for your post and for your interest in getting a Venturing Crew started and focused on aviation.  It's vital that we find ways to get young people involved in aviation if we're going to keep GA alive and well.  I've sent you a rather long and more detailed message but wanted to post here as well so the other Forum members can learn a bit about what we're doing.  At this point we're BURIED under snow and the plane is sitting in the barn awaiting better weather to move to our shop space. In the meantime we're reviewing the plans in preparation for a "spinner to tail" assessment of the plane before we launch into the actual restoration.  Keep in mind that aviation is not the stated focus for our Crew, but we've added it due to the high level of interest from our Crew members.  I'll be sure to post more information as our project moves along and please feel free to write or post as you work to get your Crew up and running.  And again, THANKS for your commitment to getting young people involved in aviation!

Larry  



Jim Heffelfinger
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#6 Posted: 2/17/2010 15:32:26

I assume you have connected with the new owners of Fisher now in Canada.  Although the 101 is no longer part of the line the 202 is a direct decendant.

see webpage for builders forums links .  the Yahoo site is very active with 250members 3000 messages in 14 months.

http://www.fisherflying.com/

 

 

 



Larry Lesniak
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#7 Posted: 2/17/2010 19:06:35

Hi Jim!

Thanks for your post.  Yes, I've spoken with Paul at FFP and he's ready to help us with the project.  I've also been lurking on the Fishnet gathering information and I've joined the Yahoo group.  It's really impressive how much information and assistance is available via the factory and these groups and I think we'll be in good shape once our work gets underway given the resources available to us.

This is quite an undertaking for our Crew but with the enthusiasm level of the members and the support of our sponsoring organization AND the help of fellow aviation enthusiasts I'm sure we'll do well.

I'll post updates as our work progresses.  Thanks again!

Larry



Larry Lesniak
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#8 Posted: 4/22/2010 15:35:55

It's about time for an update on our Venture Crew 50 activities with regard to our FP-101 ultralight project!  We're very, very close to finishing the restoration of our 1940 Case VC farm tractor so it was time to start getting the airplane ready for work.  If you've read this thread you'll see that we received the airplane as a donation from a very generous pilot in Iowa.  I drove out there last fall and brought the airframe back to our base at the Succop Conservancy in Butler, PA.  The airframe, including the fuselage, tail feathers, one complete wing, parts of the second wing, and some miscellaneous items, was cleverly packed into a trailer that was built to carry the COMPLETED plane.  All we have to do is remove the sides of the trailer and the plane will be able to roll right on with a special fixture to lock down the tail.  That's the good news.  The not-so-good news is that we will not be able to restore this aircraft to flight status for a number of very good reasons.  

First, we're just not comfortable with the condition of or materials used in the airframe.  While it's still fairly sound there are lots of cracks, small breaks, and other minor damage that adds up to an airframe that would need a complete rebuild.  Also, it's apparent from our examination of the airframe that it was made at least in part from a packing crate.  Some components have an address stamped on them and the plywood is definitely not aviation grade.

Second, the cost of an engine to power this plane, either a small Rotax or 1/2 VW, is beyond our budget.  We may reconsider this point on our next project, but for this plane it isn't feasible for us to come up with a powerplant.

Third, the plane is a single-seater and Scout regulations would prevent our members from flying it.

So what are we going to do with the plane?  We think we've come up with an excellent way to make very good use of it.  We're going to restore the plane structurally using non-aviation grade materials, cover it right down the centerline so one half is finished/painted and the other is open/skeletal, connect all the controls, add folding wings, and use it as a training tool for Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts.  We'll still be able to gain valuable experience through the build/restoration process and our local Scout organizations will gain a valuable teaching tool.  While we may be a little disappointed that this particular plane won't be ours to fly we're still very excited about the project and the opportunity to use it to bring aviation to life for other youngsters and Scouts.

At this point we're just getting the trailer unpacked and preparing our shop space.  I'll keep the forum updated on our progress but in the meantime I've posted a link to some pictures of the Crew working with the fuselage to reinstall the landing gear and add new wheels and tires.

Thanks to everyone who's read and contributed to this thread.  Your ongoing support of our efforts to engage young people in general aviation is greatly appreciated!  If you have any questions about our activities please feel free to send me a message and I'll get right back to you.

Larry




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#9 Posted: 9/3/2010 12:00:45

Larry:

I am also starting a Aviation Venturing Crew in based at the Spanish Fork Utah Airport and would be interested in the advise you sent Randall.

Thanks,

Mike



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#10 Posted: 1/21/2011 19:09:24

Larry,

   It is fantastic to hear about your Crew's interest in aviation.  We need to expose as many young people as we can to the wonders of flight so that we can keep aviation a vibrant and growing community.  I applaud your efforts.

 

Now, not to be a wet blanket so to speak, but as a DE I would feel remiss if I didn't point out the following from the Guide to Safe Scouting: (no.3 under aircraft)

3. Flying in hang gliders, ultralights, experimental class aircraft, and hot-air balloons (whether or not they are tethered); parachuting, and flying in aircraft as part of a search and rescue mission are unauthorized activities.

 

While you can restore the UL as a crew, you can't fly it as a crew.  Course, that wouldn't and shouldn't stop your crew members from flying it as individuals and not part of an organized scouting activity.