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Folding wing ultralight for chapter project

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Michael Johnson
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#1 Posted: 4/4/2010 10:27:48

Hello everyone

I have been thinking about a way for people who can;t afford aviation in my chapter and what I could do about it. One possibility is for the chapter members to do a group build on an ultralight. Do any of you guys know of any folding with ultralights that might be a good chapter build for the members and possibly some youth in the local area.

MJ



Dick Anderson
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#2 Posted: 4/4/2010 20:57:34

The best folding winged UL in my opinion is the Kolb Firefly.



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Jim Heffelfinger
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#3 Posted: 4/5/2010 21:41:48

Hating to be overly picky - Ultralight (USA) aircraft ( air vehicles) come in a variety of flavors,,,,,,  fixed wing, flex wing, sailplane, gyrocopter, helicopter, balloon, lighter than air, PPG, PPC, .....

Could you be a bit more specific?



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#4 Posted: 4/6/2010 00:04:03

For pilots who aren't too heavy, you could check out the Sky Pup.



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#5 Posted: 4/6/2010 11:36:54

The sky pup is interesting. I was looking at the N3 Pup as well, it has folding wings and a 1/2 VW.

I'm just poking around and trying to come up with ways for chapter members to get involved and have a chance to fly. Many members just don't have a lot of money to spend these days and I would like to try and promote something like this. It's funny though, on Youtube, the N3 Pup looks like it climbs at 20' a minute. It sure looks like a noce design though!

MJ



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#6 Posted: 4/6/2010 21:43:24

Lincoln, I was doing some more reading on the Sky Pup, that's really a nice design. I wonder why more ultralight people don't build it. With a glide ratio of 12:1 it's quite an aircraft.

MJ



Grant Smith
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#7 Posted: 4/7/2010 15:02:33

I like the CGS Hawk. Wings do not fold as easily as some but it flys nice.



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Gerald McMasters
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#8 Posted: 4/7/2010 19:58:10

I know of 3 different ones.  The Sky Pup,  Rag-Wing(Roger Mann has 4 or 5 to choose from), The Banty.  The Sky pup is poly styrene(about 85%) and the other 2 are of wood also in kit form is the mini-max  line



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#9 Posted: 4/9/2010 01:22:57

Michael:

Given the weight they usually come in at (as I recall maybe 220 or 230 lbs) and the 400 lb gross, minus two gallons of fuel, the pilot should be 160-170 lbs or less. I wouldn't fit it very well even if I lost that much weight as it's pretty narrow. So anyone above a certain size probably needs something else. As I recall the engine is supposed to be under 62 lbs, which probably means a two stroke or some ingenuity. The original was supposed to be 190 lbs, which leaves a bit more slack.

 

The plans seem pretty well done, which means that one's initial impression is of a lot of complexity. But it's probably just that he didn't leave things out.



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#10 Posted: 4/11/2010 22:55:22

Michael, are you talking powered or un-powered?  Heavier than air, or lighter than air.  I've owned more folding wing aircraft than non folding wing aircraft in my life.  The only aircraft I ever built had an N number on it.  It and everything needed to fly it fit in the back of my Dodge mini-van.  It was powered and lighter than air, and used propane for fuel.  I currently have two ultralight (no N number required) folding wing aircraft that are un-powered.  One fits inside behind the back seat of my S10 Blazer, and the other fits on top, and could fit inside a twenty foot X twelve inch piece of PVC pipe.  The one that fits inside the car can only carry a 220 pound pilot, but the other can handle a 300 pound pilot easily.  I have had hour and a half flights on both.  When I have an hour and a half flight, I usually end the flight, because I am getting bored, or my bladder capacity has been reached.  I think my current aircraft are the purest forms of aviation one can experience.  Either one of my current aircraft could be converted to a powered aircraft, and still meet the 103 requirements.  Pilot weights would probably go down some from what I have listed, but they would still work.



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Dick Anderson
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#11 Posted: 4/12/2010 21:49:57

There are several projects for sale on www.barnstormers.com.



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Matthew Long
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#12 Posted: 6/19/2010 05:25:39 Modified: 6/19/2010 05:27:37

Mike Kimbrel's Banty has been around for along time, though you don't hear much about them any more.  Simple wood and fabric construction, folding wings for storage, modest performance on a Rotax 277 or equivalent (Hirth still sells new engines that small).  Might be worth giving Mike a call to see if he still sells plans.  It uses the same bread board and rubber stoppers engine mount as the Sky Pup and allows a more generous gross weight.

Butterfly Aero Banty Index (see links at bottom of page for more photos)

Butterfly Aero Banty ultralight aircraft (YouTube video)

BUTTERFLY AERO 

1333 Garrard Creek Road 

Oakville WA 98568 

Tel. 360-273-9202 

 

 



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Grant Smith
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#13 Posted: 7/19/2010 13:45:04

Check out the "Backyard Flyer"



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